Don’t know if that helps you but that’s what is in the commercial accelerants.Also any brand of CA accelerant I’m sure would work with any brand of CA glue I don’t see any reason to match the two if one if priced better or has a better applicator, or comes in more convenient sized packaging etc. This process was usually used where we would have used epoxy, but we wanted fast progress, say with complex attachments or critical alignments. Here is timberbits video, (http://www.timberbits.com/blog/?p=345), We can't get "Glen 20" in the U.S., But it's just Spray Disinfectant same as say Lysol. Within seconds, the surface is hard, yet there is some yield to pressure. I just spent some time in the shop playing around with some of these ideas. its just baking soda and water im not realy out much the down side is i waste 10-15 min. 50 ($1.56/Fl Oz) FREE Shipping. Moisture accelerates most CA glues, so you can slightly accelerate the glue with warm, moist, breath. You can get 8 ounce (pints) of accelerator for ~$10, and refill a small spritz spray bottle to apply it. I’ll try lightly applying a small mist of water/moisture on one of the pieces of material to be bonded together and see what happens. -- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/. No need for spray bottles. Jim Finn. Be careful storing CA in the freezer after you have opened it. I used plenty of commercial accelerators, and they work the best and are most predictable, but have downsides. Location: Brockton, MA, Posts: 89 Likes: 0 Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts Substitute for CA Accelerator? It worked well, although it often produced an ugly joint. What has worked for many years is a spray of water from a mister. Thread: Substitute for CA Accelerator? The best deal on a small bottle of CA accelerator seems to be at the local Hobby Lobby store. Senior Member . Premium Super Glue Accelerator by Glue Masters 2 OZ Bottle with Detachable Spray Pump 100% with Hassle Free Full Refund Best Super Glue Activator on The Cyanoacrylate Market. I just buy accelerator but I’m not using enough that I would save any significant amount by making my own. Given that Acetone will dissolve CA, it could be the acetone acts as a carrier to pull water molecules into the CA. --. ", Just guessing He tested 8 cans to fine the best spray tip/white spot free brand. I will be interested to hear whether you have success with either one. They have “Extreme Power Accelerator” in a 2 oz spray bottle for $4.99. Latest Blog Entries |
Powered by Invision Community, bourbonnais......thats just south of chicago. >Acetone is a cheap substitute for DEBONDER not ACCCELERATOR! Copyright 2020 The Wood Whisperer, Inc. LJ will not be held liable for the actions of any user. No, no, I'm good duck, my skills aren't anywhere near being able to do inlay, nor my patience... if you change your mind eizzle let me know and ill try and give you a few pointers. It’s cheaper to use because I can unscrew the cap and use a pipette for a small spot like he mentioned. and, X2 with Jonah: “accelerators last quite a long time. You can buy small <1ml Disposable Plastic Pipettes and use them to place 1 drop where needed. Apply Cyanoacrylate Super Glue Accelerator – CA Glue Activator . You can even place a drop of low viscosity CA onto a pile of saw dust in a crack/gap and it usually cures in seconds. The Correct Way to Apply Super Glue Accelerator. So simply breathing on it may be as effective as anything. To avoid clogging the tip, don’t touch it to the work or any surface, and don’t poke pins or nails into the opening either. Try soaking a qtip in your accelerator and just dab it onto the wet glue. Mercury Adhesives MH16A Aerosol Accelerator for CA 12oz. anyone tried it? Up to $200 a day. The one CA accelerator I’ve used was sort of oily, though it dried without leaving a residue. Akfix-GA060 705 Fast Adhesive CA Glue (1.76 oz.) Instant Dry Super Glue Hack.Waiting for glue to dry is one of our favorite past times, but sometimes you need to get onto other things. ...I m no chemist, but I think Acetone is a form of alcohol ...- clin. does it turn white or stay clear? works great does what I need with minimal cost no more wasted in a spray bottle just a single drop on my inlay. At this ratio, your homemade accelerator will still give you several seconds of open time to align the parts. That works out to $2.99 after you use Hobby Lobby’s always-available 40% discount coupon. http://www.toolking.com/fastcap-2p-10-soloact-activator-spray-for-2p-10-adhesive. I'm sure there are entire forums dedicated to CA glue -- maybe they have a formula for you. posted 02-19-2018 09:48 PM. |
Lack of humidity in the air can also affect curing times. ==> I have found that you can put a table spoon of baking soda in a cup of water and use it to spray and accelerated ca glue. 4.9 out of 5 stars 39. tip sprayed large droplets and left white spots, the same same as a pump accelerator I played with. I question the knowledgeability of the Titebond rep if he thinks heptane is an accelerant. I’m no chemist, but I think Acetone is a form of alcohol and alcohols blend well with water and absorb water easily. Yep! The more instant glue that is used in a … Cheap little super glue activation hack to save lots of money.#SuperGlue #CAGlue #Activator Latest Projects |
-- "It's getting better..." - put this on my RIP stone! It … Like here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slCMkvEfK_U, ©2021 Verticalscope Inc. All Rights Reserved. My accelerator bottle is 7.5oz, cost $12, and I’ve been using the same bottle for four years. In a bind, you can use human sweat or saliva as an accelerator, it just works slowly. -- there is no educational alternative to having a front row seat in the School of Hard Knocks. #4 – Accelerator application method tip: Aerosol or pump spray bottles are convenient way to apply accelerator. Have even seen quarts of it sell for <$25. Substitute Teacher. I got curious so did a few quick google searches. When I was a professional display manufacturer, (see how I did that) lolI used UV glue to assemble my glass cases. Thanks for the clarification. | Copyright
That yield only lasts maybe a minute though before the entire mass is hard. -- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. Also, most CA adhesives that I have used recommend a clean, dry surface so it seems like water would not be the best choice. Bulk-refill (32oz) accelerator goes for about $16 -- and should last the average hobby woodworker a couple of years... i use a lot in doing the inlay most people use for pens or for joints on models so they use a tiny bit but i go through larger amounts plus I ran out and im trying to keep expenses down since my accident. the qtip would stick but an eye droper would use minimal accelerator right where I want it. -- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967. I used it a lot when I was building model airplanes and never paid for an accelerator. Seems odd that many of the CA activators have acetone in them but I’ve also seen acetone recommended for removing super glue from surfaces. Dunno. I got a great tip from Captain’s post regarding the spritzer bottle with the screw on cap. N,N-Dimethyl-p-toluidine I think the name of the stuff in CA accelerant. also im in the middle of a project and i don't want to wait for the stuff to get here. From the basic idea of repair and reattachment to perhaps more advanced crafting of new things, super glue accelerators make the application of super glue easy and convenient. Member . The Dimethyl-p-toluidine posted earlier is fast drying alkaline aromatic amine compound. How much CA are we going to waste along the way? Super Glue CA accelerator substitute. I just realized that I needed some CA Accelerator. Says on the bottle extremely flammable, and it "causes immediate cure of cyanoacrylates" Also says it contains heptane, is this the main ingredient? | Do Not Sell My Data
Why mess with the chemistry? × -- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. CA accelerator spray works in seconds — literally — and so I wanted to see if any of the ideas presented could come close. Super Glue Accelerator, also known as CA glue "activator," is used to significantly speed up the drying time of cyanoacrylate super glues. Part of the reason why I discontinued the product was because I have found a good substitute for the accelerator (and plus the cost to freight it off interstate is exxy!). It’s not an adhesive, but more of a filler. 70 Permit Tech jobs available in Mountain View, CA on Indeed.com. +1 with Pottz…...I have used warm water in a mister in a pinch, but I’m a firm believer in doing it right! by Steamboat_Willie posted 02-19-2018 09:48 PM . His quote "I have experimented with about 8 different cans and have found Glen 20 to be the best." Last edited: Dec 9, 2011. robutacion Member. I tried some ". Timberbits.com uses a product called glen 20. Spraying with Bloxygen might work. #1 – The aerosol cans are a very expensive way to buy/use cyanoacrylate accelerator. Just need spray bottle. What has worked for many years is a spray of water from a mister. 30 replies so far. No idea what it was. Bondic is excellent in some situations. Water, acetone, bloxygen, breathing (lol)... Nope, sorry. I call it the "Super Tight Ass Method". If you search Amazon, there are several brands of this stuff but as jbay stated, most really only works well if you can get the UV light to the entire glue joint. Latest Forum Topics, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slCMkvEfK_U, Stumpy Nubs Woodworking Journal- For woodworkers of all levels (part 6). by Steamboat_Willie
-- Tony---- Reinholds,Pa.------ REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN : I was in the same boat, or plane. Go ahead and do that if you I have tried a baking soda ca accelerator and it didn't work too well it make my glue cloudy so my inlay looks milky. You only need a tiny bit for most gluing operations, so a can lasts seemingly forever unless you’re super gluing every day. Looks like just a little bit in what is otherwise acetone. [Clear Super Glue Adhesive and Accelerator Spray] 4.6 out of 5 stars 608 $17.69 $ 17 . Starbond Instant Set ACCELERATOR (Activator) for CA Super Glue, Pump Sprayer Bottle (8 ounce) 4.7 out of 5 stars 863. Especially in those days with all niCAD batteries, every second counted when making field repairs. I use it for clean up. I found that the 51 LED UV flashlight I got on Amazon that inspired my ongoing UV in the shop blog series really cures it fast, and you don’t have to be millimeters away for it to work. In my experience, the downsides of commercial products included the fumes when used, as well as the ability of lingering fumes to set off glue applied later and in storage. I don't remember it being all that expensive. It smells like nail polish. NCF Quick accelerator for CA glue can also help by cleaning and preparing the surface. I suspect that the acetone is just a solvent for whatever the real accelerant is and may be used because it evaporates quickly. (see below – About Accelerator) . I'll third that! Just guessing He tested 8 cans to fine the best spray tip/white spot free brand. Location: Wichita, KS, Posts: 2,123 Likes: 0 Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts Substitute for CA Accelerator? FREE Shipping on orders over $25 shipped by Amazon. Used to build and fly R/C planes back when I was a teenager. I’ve had the same can for ~4 years, for example, and it’s still a third full. A little more research…Wikipedia:In general, cyanoacrylate is an acrylic resin that rapidly polymerises in the presence of water (specifically hydroxide ions), forming long, strong chains, joining the bonded surfaces together. There are more alkaline household chemicals that can be used, but they are dangerous. These are really not new, just new marketing. But it still “mixes” with water. Clear editor. If your joint is not tight, then it does not cure well and suggest you need a different glue? I do some model building to, this makes for the cleanest joints, and keeps most of the spray off the plastic. July 23, 2013 in General Woodworking Talk. so i would rather it not turn ugly. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way. im using it to speed up inlay drying. Different brands use different solvent carriers, depending on degree of flammability or VOC regulations, with Heptane/acetone most common.Common internet suggestion to use baking soda dissolved in water works, but it is slow compared to commercial accelerator. View Single Post 04-05-2003, 08:09 PM #4 Tattoo. I use the Mitrebond accelerator in the pen form. § 415.20) Substituted service is similar to personal service, except the documents are served $12.50 $ 12. They are inexpensive, a few cents each bought in bulk. I don’t mind paying $12 every four or five years. Also, if you run a bead of glue and spray it directly, you can watch the phase change. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__8457__Insta_Set_CA_Accelerator_8_oz.html, Remembered my rc friend uses this. Join Date: Feb 2002. Get it as soon as Wed, Jan 6. By You cannot paste images directly. Funny I had only heard about using CA and baking soda as a hard filler, mainly for guitar repairs etc. (UV glue sets in about 10 – 15 seconds or so, depends on the intensity of black light)It will also attach wood or metal to glass, but the light has to be able to reach the joint. His quote ", I have experimented with about 8 different cans and have found Glen 20 to be the best. Knowing how it works,and how cheap it is, I would not experiment with other methods of curing agents and stick withthe proven commercially designed CA specific accelerators. -- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF. with Activator (6.76 fl oz.) Cyanoacrylate cures with absence of oxygen.The water or other sprays may displace the o2. +1 on water mist, its also why it works on damp wood . I've read plain water makes a perfectly good accelerant (that's the joke posted above about dihydrous monoxide, i.e, H20, i.e., water). Haven't tried it. Because of this cyanoacrylate is applied thinly, to ensure that the reaction proceeds rapidly for bonding. When I built big r/c airplanes, we would add dry baking soda to CA to both accelerate the cure and fill gaps. 7/07 1-37 § 1.5.2 Substituted Service (C.C.P. #2 – CA cures in absence of oxygen. Paste as plain text instead, × Rev. , We can't get "Glen 20" in the U.S., But it's just, Spray Disinfectant same as say Lysol. Another vote for making sure the surfaces have moisture in them. I have found that you can put a table spoon of baking soda in a cup of water and use it to spray and accelerated ca glue. But if you do not touch the CA surface with pipette, you can reuse them forever. super glue & activator hack,ca& activator ,cyanoacrylate activator I agree about sticking with the commercial product, John. CA accelerator can simply be replaced by water and baking soda! Manage Consent. He also thinks lysol will work! ?it cured instantly without any other source of accelerant. ALSO – keep a bottle of “Un-Cure” debonder close by (just in case you get something stuck to something that you don’t want it stuck to).I fully agree with your findings. Best sources are online hobby shops that sell to radio control airplane market (such as Aircarft Spruce & Specialty). The soda will neutralize the acid in CA glue, which is there to slow the curing time. Joined Aug 6, 2009 Messages 6,424 Location Australia - SA Adelaide Hills. This won’t necessarily make it kick as fast as an accelerator, but moisture is needed for it to set. Will also try the same with acetone. 99. Brush it onto the “dry” half of the joint. Also known as super glue, what is activator made of? Thread: Substitute for CA Accelerator? One good method of storing your CA on the work bench is to place it in a sealed jar that has a collection of the little bags of disiccant silicagel in it. Scoot Education 4.2. At wwa, Marc Adams talked about windex being a substitute for accelerator. Pasted as rich text. For the record, when I checked this morning, all of the samples were rock solid, so while the water, etc didn’t perform as well as the spray, they didn’t inhibit final curing. We just don’t know which half! 69 what happened to that product advertised on the TV InfoMercial several months agoabout putting the glue on the part then hitting it with a flash of Ultra Violet light ?? the best trick I found was inspired by eizzle sugestion of a qtip. In extremely dry climates, an accelerator for CA glue is often necessary to force the CA glue to cure. Your dentist has probably been using them for years. For what it’s worth, the heptane-based accelerators last quite a long time. Upload or insert images from URL. Pure chlorine beach, or lye are stronger alkaline materials, but I would not want them on my wood projects. I think alcohols and bases increase cure rate (water is the curing agent and acids are the retarder) -- hence the references to baking soda and alcohol you see on the web. Spoiler alert… they didn’t. The moisture of your breath does it. The beauty of it is that you don’t waste over spraying and it seems to last a very long time. if installing a 60k kitchen a 5.00 can of spray is nothing :<))). with Activator (6.76 fl oz.) 2864 posts in 3867 days #1 posted 02-20-2018 01:08 PM . It wasn’t my intent to do an in depth analysis of how they affected the cure rate. As a cheap teenager, I tried different things but always ended up with Zap CA, ZAP-a-gap, and ZAP accelerator in my flight box. × China Alternative to Henkel Loctite Ca Glue Cure Accelerator, Find details about China Substitute Henkel Loctite Ca Accelerator, Replace Henkel Loctite Ca Accelerator from Alternative to Henkel Loctite Ca Glue Cure Accelerator - Heng Ying Adhesive Co., Ltd We didn't care about the look, as it would be hidden inside the structure. This dust filled joint will not accept dye/stain, so use the dust fill technique sparingly. I tried some "kroger" brand that I had under the sink, it didn't work well, the spray tip sprayed large droplets and left white spots, the same same as a pump accelerator I played with. i gotta agree with rich,john and jonah why bother with the substitutions,where talking about probably a couple bucks a year for most,not worth the effort. Obviously I don’t use much of the stuff, but a tiny pulse of it doesn’t feel like a waste of anything. Some modelers use saliva (ew). you think its bad on plastic imagine it covering tiny stone and dust its can be a pain but totally worth it. (musta been another “as seen on TV” flop). Plenty of alcohols we shouldn’t drink either! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. ... SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory 4.2. #3 – Trick to accelerating CA cure is PH level, as the reaction expedites in alkaline environment. might work if not i throw it away. So still wondering if it can aide in curing CA because of this. None of the things I tested came even close. Thanx for the replies & suggestions. Akfix-GA060 705 Fast Adhesive CA Glue (1.76 oz.) I'd test it before I used it on something I cared about. Bad idea, as the product evaporating from the pump set off the entire bottle of glue on more than one occasion. Alternative to Henkel Loctite Ca Glue Cure Accelerator, Find Details about Substitute Henkel Loctite Ca Accelerator, Replace Henkel Loctite Ca Accelerator from Alternative to Henkel Loctite Ca Glue Cure Accelerator - Heng Ying Adhesive Co., Ltd It’s like a wide sharpie. Rich – I made a 1/4 scale Piper J3 Cub a few years ago and used CA glue for the very first timeon balsa wood….. At wwa, Marc Adams talked about windex being a substitute for accelerator. Join Date: May 2002. The stuff you buy is a scam...water is all you need in a fine mist and it works GREAT! duckkisser, I did not trust it – thinking my planewould fall apart before I even got the fabric on the frame.I was VERY impressed with the strength of the joints and also the accelerator. Just mix 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda into 1/4 cup of purified water. Display as a link instead, × While some of these may affect the cure rate, none even came close to the spray accelerator. The dust will fill the visible gap, and seal out air; which allows the CA to cure as designed without accelerator. CA cures slower on acidic woods like mahogany and oak, but you can use accelerator to overcome that. It depends on how viscous the glue is, and the thickness of the application. Substitute for CA Accelerator? More Buying Choices $20.74 (3 new offers) Satellite City QA-6 NCF Quick Aerosol Accelerator 6 oz. Because the presence of moisture causes the glue to set, exposure to normal levels of humidity in the air causes a thin skin to start to form within seconds, which very greatly slows the reaction. Toluidine (or something like that) seems to be a ingredient in several activators MSDSs but in small ratios so that might be the actual accelerant. You find … home | projects | blog. February 17, 2018. Your previous content has been restored. News. cessna you said it looks ugly did you ever mix it with water thats what the directions that i found say to do. Eaglesc >"How much are we gonna save here by trying to find an acceptable substitute for accelerator? View Single Post 04-05-2003, 05:06 PM #1 N1EDM-RCU. The CA glue accelerant is a solvent based product that can be applied before and/or after CA glue application. The problem with it is that the single LED curing light they include is really weak. I have experimented with about 8 different cans and have found Glen 20 to be the best. Accelerators are nothing more than this amine dispersed into solvent. — Bob Flexner. Or heck, just some cheap bourbon might work. and if it works its a really cheap alternative that i can use until i can afford to buy some new bottles. Makes me wonder if things like rubbing alcohol, which has a lot of water in it would work. I did some research after seeing His video a few weeks ago. Solvent, but not accelerant. If you need CA glue to fill a gap in glue joint, try this: Apply glue, join the surfaces together, wipe excess, then sand the joint with 100 grit sand paper. When I first started using the stuff in the 80's, I'd buy big bottles of CA, and pump spray bottles of accelerator, then store them in the same cabinet. “Bondic” may be the UV cure system you saw advertised. It is water that accelerates it. www.timberbits.com I have developed a new alternative accelerator cheaper than Glen 20. I have found that you can put a table spoon of baking soda in a cup of water and use it to spray and accelerated ca glue. I think I might need to do some experimenting. Like the above two posters, it’s water that reacts with the active ingredient. I am in brazil, will buy some and will try it when i get home. I ended up buying smaller bottles of glue. Most CA glues, so a can lasts seemingly forever ” thickness of the accelerator! Used to build and fly R/C planes back when I built big airplanes. 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